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Gender

Some women style themselves abbot. See, for example, Joan Halifax Roshi (Her website). --Shantavira 15:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

"Monastics"

User:HarvardOxon added the following to the Eastern Christian section:

the title "abbot" is not given in the Western Church to any but actual abbots of monasteries today, the title archimandrite is given to "monastics" (i.e., celibate) priests in the East, even when not attached to a monastery, as an honor for service, similar to the title of monsignor in the Western/Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church.

I cannot speak for Eastern Rite Catholics, but the Orthodox Church does not normally have "celibate" clergy who are non-monastic (except for married priests whose wives have died, and they would be elevated to Archpriest or Protopresbyter, but not Abbot). While it is true that—at least in the Russian Church—the rank of Abbot (Hegumen) and Archimandrite may be bestowed as an honorary title to a monk who may not happen to be the superior of a community, it is always given only to monks (not to persons who are merely "celibate"). Unless someone has been tonsured a monk, he cannot be made an Abbot. I would recommend re-editing the sentence to make it more accurate, and less offensive. MishaPan 00:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand what you find "offensive" in this post. The definition of a "monastic" in Orthodox or Eastern Catholic churches is a tonsured monk, who is therefore committed to celibacy, even if he has not taken minor or major schema. Not all monastics live in monasteries, e.g. http://www.geocities.com/orthodoxchurchsg/clergy.html, the first google i saw of many on the subject. Some monastics are in fact parish clergy, not living inside of a monastery. Hence, as far as the public is concerned, there are celibate priests in the East, who may be given the purely honorific and non-functional title of archimandrite, and non-celibate clergy who are, as you said, raised to the rank of archpriest, etc. So, in fact, an archimdnarite may be functional as the head of a monastery or purely honorific...he may get the pure honorific if in a monastery or even if not in a monastery but working in a parish. What's there to take umbrage about? Who is being insulted?HarvardOxon 01:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Christian-centric view

Given that Zen Buddhist Centres (and probably many other traditions) also have Abbots, this article is FAR too christianity-centric. I like christianity and its history as much as the next guy, but all of these christian historical details belong elsewhere.

Whence Monasticism?

The article currently says that Egypt was "the first home of monasticism". This kind of claim requires substantiation. If none is added, the phrase should be removed. It doesn't add anything anyway. 66.117.50.141 (talk) 18:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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